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Speak Out: Will Ending Herndon's Immigration Agreement Impact Town?

US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement ends 287(g) program that allowed local law enforcement to question about immigration status. Tell us: Should ICE have continued the program in Herndon? Will this make a difference in town?

In December, U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement announced it would end the 287(g) program in Herndon and several other jurisdictions to focus on more effective types of enforcement for removing criminal illegal immigrants from the country. 

The program allowed local law enforcement to question those suspected of crimes about their legal status and detain or arrest those here illegally, potentially leading to their deportation.

The Town of Herndon has participated in the 287(g) program since 2007. Last year, they issued 39 detainers through the program.

Read more about the discontinuation of 287(g) in Herndon here.

ICE had 57 Memorandum of Agreements for the program in 21 states, with more than 1,300 officers trained and certified in the program. Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell asked ICE to authorize state troopers under a 287(g) program in 2010, but his request was denied.

The agency said in December it would end 17 of those agreements in 2013 and temporarily continue others — such as one in neighboring Prince William County's jail — in order to put more efforts behind detaining illegal immigrants who are deemed a bigger priority, such as those who have committed felonies, rather than going after those who have committed petty offenses, officials said in a release.

The Secure Communities program, which will remain in place at the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center, identifies criminal illegal immigrants as they’re arrested and booked when they’re taken into custody. 

Tell us: Should ICE have continued the program in Herndon? Will this make a difference in town?

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Sean Moran January 08, 2013 at 01:28 PM
What are the more effective methods? I had a friend who tried to bring his family from Peru legally. Too much red tape. I knew another guy who had 2 brothers come here and stay illegally. Is that fairness?
Don Joy January 08, 2013 at 02:13 PM
The important thing is to guarantee democrats an endless supply of loyal voters; who cares about the impact on the town, the country, our society, etc. Get them signed up for the benefit gravy train and get them registered to vote as soon as they arrive, and keep them coming. This is why it is imperative that we have a community organizer in the White House, someone who understands how to prioritize and how to shore up and expand the electoral base for generations to come.
Nancy J January 08, 2013 at 04:02 PM
Of course removing this program will affect the town. Have you stopped by either the 7-11 or Shell station on Elden Street lately?
Grace Han Wolf January 08, 2013 at 04:06 PM
It is my understanding, since I asked the Chief for clarification, that all street enforcement MOUs with ICE for 287(g) are ended on a national basis. Jurisdictions that have jail enforcement MOU with ICE for 287(g) for an additional 6 months but will then be phased out. The Town does not operate a jail and Fairfax County never entered into an MOU with ICE for 287(g) for its jail. All jails currentlly have Secure Communities and this sounds like the only program that will be left in place after the 6 month 287(g) wind-down for identifying dangerous criminals who are in the country illegally.
Bob Bruhns January 08, 2013 at 04:13 PM
287(g) was not only about street vendors in Herndon - it was about serious criminals and drunk drivers who came to this country illegally. Excuse me, but I think Herndon was being plenty tolerant to limit the deportations to only such ones, and the selective cancellation of 287(g) in Herndon seems... strange. In Herndon, 287(g) was about serious criminals who were roaming the streets unvetted, who kept getting a pass because our laws were not being enforced, and it was about drunk drivers who had a record as long as your arm and were getting lighter and lighter punishments for their violations, who were likewise getting a pass because our laws were not being enforced. Elimination of 287(g) is not really about voters. It's about cheap labor. Our supposedly caring business leaders just want cheap labor, that's the brutal truth. They want cheap labor without health care benefits for their victims - you and I are supposed to cover that, in the emergency rooms. It's not good that so many people are here illegally - but the real problem is the greed of our national and local business community, and the sway that they have over our government and news media. This change will reduce the capture rate of serious criminals and drunk drivers in this area, and that is not good. However, it will not improve the wage scale for illegal aliens, so business interests need not worry.
Leslie Perales Loges (Editor) January 08, 2013 at 04:29 PM
Hi Bob - ICE has ended all of the 287(g) task force agreements, so it's not just Herndon that's impacted. Locally, Manassas, Prince William County and Loudoun County are also impacted by this. The companion article to this Speak Out has more details on that. The 287(g) jail enforcement program is still in place until June 30, when it's also expected to be phased out. At that point the entire 287(g) program will end nationwide.
Mark Carolla January 08, 2013 at 04:31 PM
No, ending the agreement, regardless of how effective it is, will have little impact - at least in Herndon. The statistics in Prince William indicate ICE has bigger priorities with the program. Go to the Herndon Town Court and watch the "catch and release" of no English-speakers who get caught driving without a license. As the Herndon Minutemen organization (the tactics or optics of which I had been openly critical in the past) rightfully pointed out in past years, our illegal immigration problem is the fault of dishonest and tax cheating businesses that use cheap illegal labor. Through measures such as anti-soliciting and overcrowding laws the word has gotten out that Herndon is not an attractive destination for illegals. The solution to this is to reform immigration so that Mexicans (the largest group) and others can come here temporarily - without benefits for themselves or dependents - and legally come and go. Canada has a program that benefits both employers and temporary workers that works. We have similar programs for European youths at beach resorts and for our pools. However, until we get an administration, Republican or Democrat that is willing to remove the "attractive nuisance" of cheating small (and big) business owners we will have an illegal immigration problem.
Mark Carolla January 08, 2013 at 04:40 PM
Bob, you have hit the nail on the head. Immigration reform in making it next to impossible to get work here without documents and also providing a means of funneling the millions of undocumented aliens here into a legalization and control program (which would cull out the "bad apples") will work.
Dave Webster January 08, 2013 at 11:26 PM
Herndon will probably be less safe without the 287(g) program.Secure Communities can only flag those aliens whose prints or identifying information is already in immigration databases. In contrast, the local 287(g) officers can determine the status of aliens who have not had contact with immigration agents – mostly recent illegal arrivals committing their first non-immigration crime, or people admitted on border crossing cards, who are not fingerprinted upon entry like visitors from most other countries.
Don Joy January 09, 2013 at 02:23 PM
Bob, you're wrong in more than one way. It's about democrats importing a new electorate, and it started with Ted Kennedy's Immigration Act of 1965. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965 Also, the so-called "Motor-Voter" law, co-written by communists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven (who were both present at its signing by B. J. Clinton) was specifically designed to get as many felons and illegal aliens onto the voter rolls because many states give illegal aliens driver's licenses, and automatically register people to vote when they get a driver's license, circumventing the vetting process--and adding a metastasizing demographic to the ranks of democrat party, who in most cases are also immediately added to the various welfare caseloads of the bureaucrats who eagerly welcome them to help grow the government, etc. It's all part of the notorious Cloward-Piven strategy, and anyone who is ignorant of what that strategy is, or thinks it is a good thing for America, is my enemy and the enemy of all that is good: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/theclowardpivenstrategypoe.html Furthermore, you claiming that illegal aliens who invade our sovereign territory (in most cases for jobs and lifestyles that are astronomically better than the conditions from which they flee) are "victims" when employers don't fork over health insurance is just ludicrous.
Bob Bruhns January 09, 2013 at 04:32 PM
It's more than that, Don. They are victims because their wage is held artificially low because they are allowed to be here illegally, with the sword of imprisonment held over their heads. You need to open your eyes. Isn't their near-slave status obvious when they duck and lower their eyes when you see them cleaning your offices, one of two or maybe three jobs that they need, to make enough to live anywhere around here? Isn't it obvious when they are found to be living with 20 people crammed into a small house? And of course isn't it obvious when they are crammed into an emergency room because they have no health care? Yes, it's complicated by the fact that they came here voluntarily and knowingly in violation of our laws - but this would not be possible if monied business interests were not actively looking for cheap labor, and actively lobbying for the hobbling of our immigration law. "Keep them illegal to keep them cheap, and keep them coming" - that's US policy. Money doesn't talk, it swears. And then these interests pretend to be good-hearted and caring. Talk about ludicrous...
Bob Bruhns January 09, 2013 at 04:47 PM
Leslie - yes, you're right, it's the in-prison 287(g) agreements that are still in place for a while, to be replaced with the less effective 'Secure Communities program from then on. It is misleading to suggest that 287(g) was not an effective program. It was evicting unvetted guests who were found to be guilty of serious crimes, or who were caught driving drunk. But our government doesn't want us to discover that someone is guilty of a serious crime, unless the reason police might check, itself rises to the level of an arrestable offense - because 'Secure Communities' only applies after someone is arrested. That is why I say that the elimination of 287(g) is a degradation of the level of protection provided to the innocent population. Of course, ICE was already subverting that protection all along. ARTICLE: Many freed criminals avoid deportation, strike again Boston Globe, December 09, 2012 http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/12/09/secret-criminals-quietly-released-criminals-who-were-supposed-deported-with-deadly-consequences/864u1YQbUaVcRiSnz6VaxJ/story.html "The vast and secretive US prison system for immigrants, stymied when it tries to deport some criminals, has quietly released thousands, including killers, a Globe investigation shows." This is not some angry article from some xenophobic lunatics - the Boston Globe is owned by the New York Times.
Don Joy January 09, 2013 at 04:56 PM
Bob, the fact that they come here voluntarily and illegally is the very heart of the matter, and they are NOT "victims." I personally know of at least one illegal alien person living in Herndon, sharing a house with 3 other adults, all here illegally. This person drives a late-model Toyota Camry, has a job that many citizens would eagerly take, and has been here scamming the system for over 8 years. It is pointless to report such people because the so-called authorities refuse to do their jobs. I know it firsthand; several years ago I worked in the Ops Center at ICE headquarters downtown and quit in disgust at how my country is being destroyed from within by communists. Yes, my "senior watch officer" listed The Communist Manifesto as his favorite book on his social networking profile, and I was subjected to a daily barrage of anti-American invective and endless "diversity" training and programs, all intended to drive people like me out. It is not the job of employers to do the work that the government is supposed to be doing. Businesses have so much more to attend to in order to try to stay in business and compete than to do the investigative tasks that our tax dollars are supposed to be paying government workers to do, making sure that those applying for jobs are here legally.
Bob Bruhns January 09, 2013 at 05:12 PM
Don, I'm not saying that businesses need to have 287(g) or Secure Communities. I'm saying that business interests push at high levels for non-enforcement of US immigration law, in order to get cheap labor for their own financial advantage. The situation of non-enforcement of immigration law in the USA constitutes an 'attractive nuisance', and by that standard the domineering treatment of those who are attracted to this trap, is itself a victimization. This victimization extends to you and me and other citizens and legal residents, in the increased costs and taxes we pay, because we are paying for health care, etc, for the ones who are here illegally to benefit certain corrupt business interests. But yes, the ones who are here illegally are not entirely innocent. The voter issue _is_ growing, as more and more of the children of illegal aliens who were born in the USA, reach voting age. But the main issue is still corrupt business interests wanting cheap illegal labor to push around.
Mark Carolla January 09, 2013 at 05:32 PM
Ideology and politics seem to be getting in the way of common sense. Fact#1: The US has an illegal immigration problem. Fact #2 : Illicit business practices foster illicit migration. Do away with #2 and a large part of the first goes away. As for finding illegals, when law enforcement apprehends somebody for a serious - repeat serious crime such as DUI - indeed common sense would require an immigration status check in the absence of a valid resident ID - there should be a way to do that without violating our rights. However, Herndon is not any less safe because of somebody who has overstayed a tourist or visitor visa, or who merely entered illegally and is doing a job our own teenagers refuse to do. Rather than adopting a Third World or Soviet style "your papers please" regime directed at those who seem foreign I'd rather enforcement be directed at Joe the Cheating Contractor or the Midwest Meat Packer than at traffic stops or jay walking. Herndon is an international community - look around at Volkswagen, Airbus etc. We don't want to get the reputation of the Red Neck town down south that jailed the executive of the local German-owned automobile plant at a traffic stop because he didn't have his passport on him. (See http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2011/11/21/mercedes-benz-executive-in-us-on-business-is-arrested-then-released-in-alabama/ ) If we get the reputation as xenophobes we'll lose jobs.
Don Joy January 09, 2013 at 05:43 PM
Bob, regardless of the lobbying of various interests, and regardless of the economic externalities and whatnot, those who voluntarily invade our territory and remain here illegally are NOT victims. THEY ARE NOT VICTIMS. They are moreover villians, and they should have stayed in their own countries and worked to change and improve their own cultures before complaining (or enlisting people like you to complain on their behalf) about the ramifications of their comparative luxury here. Also, the voting issue does not merely concern the offspring of illegals who come of age; entities such as Operation True the Vote have been reporting areas of the country, major urban centers, where there are literally thousands upon thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens registered to vote. Chicago in particular, along with other "sanctuary cities," have been deliberately making it eassier and easier for illegal aliens to vote in our elections. Again, it is all part of a calculated political strategy of subversion: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/how_chicago_and_obama_globalized_voter_id_fraud.html
Don Joy January 09, 2013 at 05:47 PM
"Since 1985 Chicago has pioneered new ways to promote illegal immigration. After 1990 the illegal immigrant population in Chicago and the nation skyrocketed. As illegal immigrants flocked to Chicago, a method was needed to get them on the registered voter list. Although 80,000 illegal aliens voted in 1982, the old-fashioned way, through vote fraud; by 2005 both Cook County and the state of Illinois had moved to allow photo I.D. to be given to illegal immigrants by passing matricula consular laws. "By allowing the matricula consular to function as an official photo I.D., Illinois and Chicago can say they are conforming to any Voter ID requirement. But the Cook County law (most Illinois illegal immigrants live in Cook County) also allows the consulates of Mexico and "any other Latin American country" to issue the consular I.D.s at their discretion. In effect, Illinois has enabled foreign countries to decide who votes in U.S. elections. "In 1983 an alien born in Belize stated to the Chicago Tribune that he and his two sisters were never required to show any identification when they registered to vote. The matricula consular enables people to reside in Illinois, and once they reside there, they need no ID to register to vote. This "globalization" of voting rights is clearly a violation of the U.S. Constitution, yet has never been challenged in any court during its ten year history. This supports the idea that Chicago's goal is to attract large numbers of undocumented(cont').."
Don Joy January 09, 2013 at 05:51 PM
"How Barack Obama enabled illegal immigrants to get on voting lists is the heretofore missing story of the actions he took in the 1990s to help expand the number of Hispanic voters. "...analysts who have researched Obama's policy history found that he voted "present" over 100 times as a member of the Illinois State Senate. So he was not actively involved in much legislation. The clues to what he did do in his early days are to be found in his community organizing work. A review of these activities reveals that he was focused on expanding "voter participation." In 1993 he helped run a voter registration drive for ACORN called "Project Vote" which registered 135,000 new voters and was crucial to the election of U.S. Senator Carol Moseley Braun. "Obama's activities took place within a national context: Bill Clinton won the election of 1992 by such a narrow margin that he immediately set out to create a larger voter base for 1996. To do so he passed the Motor Voter Law, which contains a loophole stating that a potential voter does not need to have an ID in order to register to vote. Expanding the voter base was so important to President Clinton that the Motor Voter Law was the first bill he signed into law as president. Barack Obama, as a U.S. Senator, was also a vocal critic of Voter ID laws. In 1995, the first year the Motor Voter law was to be implemented, Barack Obama represented ACORN and successfully sued the Republican governor, forcing the state to implement the law."
Don Joy January 09, 2013 at 05:56 PM
We know the rest about Obama suing states to stop voter ID. These people are completely without conscience nor an honest bone anywhere.
Don Joy January 09, 2013 at 07:16 PM
President Eisenhower had the right approach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
Leslie Perales Loges (Editor) January 09, 2013 at 07:51 PM
"It is misleading to suggest that 287(g) was not an effective program." Just want to clarify, I personally did not say 287(g) was not effective — that was the reasoning ICE provided for ending the program.
Bob Bruhns January 09, 2013 at 07:58 PM
I agree, Leslie. It's not you, it's ICE and the federal government that are trying to make that suggestion..

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