Kaine, Allen Face Off in Debate Airing Live from McLean

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Former Govs. Tim Kaine and George Allen are competing for the favor of a relatively small percentage of Virginia voters in a U.S. Senate race that has captured the interests of the country.

Kaine, a Democrat, and Allen, a Republican and former senator, will face off in a debate at noon Thursday at the Capitol One Conference Center in McLean sponsored by the Fairfax County Chamber of Commerce and NBC4. NBC will broadcast the debate live and stream it on its website.

The pressure is on because of Virginia's status as a bona fide swing state. The Old Dominion could very well determine not only the presidency, but which party controls the Senate.

The two candidates have been crisscrossing the state at a breakneck pace only to be locked in what's essentially a tie. The latest Real Clear Politics average shows Kaine with little more than a 2-percent lead, well within the margin of error in any worthwhile poll. Kaine's averaging 47.5 percent of the vote, compared 45.3 percent for Allen, according to that website.

"The most obvious thing at the debate is to not say anything inordinately stupid," said Geoffrey Skelley, a political analyst with the University of Virginia's Center for Politics.

"For the most part, people have pretty much made up their mind about the presidential race and the down-ticket races," he said. "There's no lack in name ID or anything with (the Senate candidates). People who are actually going to watch this debate actually follow the race. And the people who will watch are probably going to think the guy they support won, no matter what happens. So the main trick is don't say anything foolish — Don't create a headline."

It's the last thing journalists — and partisan Republicans and Democrats — want to hear. But it's perhaps somewhat anticipated, given the noon live broadcast time of the debate, the first of three slated for October.

"They both have to stay on message, and I think it's especially important for George Allen to do so — especially in the vein of what happened six years ago with off-the-cuff comments," said Mark Rozell, a public policy professor who specializes in Virginia politics at George Mason University.

"2006 was quite a surprise to people who had followed George Allen over the years. He was noted for being very careful with his choice of language. For whatever reason, he seemed to lose that discipline in 2006 — and it cost him a campaign he should have won. It's especially important for Allen to be cautious in his choice of words and to stay very strictly on message."

Some disagreement exists about the number of people who call themselves independent versus those who are actually independent voters. Both candidates have made it a point to talk about their bipartisan ability, though Skelley said he believes that's just playing to what people like to hear.

"You've got this narrow sliver of the electorate who are undecided," he said. "But they are the least informed and may not even turn out. So what you've got is the battle of the bases… And you want to make sure they show up."

And so, with the electorate polarized perhaps more than it has been in years, the outcome of the Senate race could very well come down to how Virginia swings in the presidential race. President Barack Obama enjoys only an average 3-point lead over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, according to Real Clear Politics.

Republicans are counting on the electoral drive that led them to victory in Virginia in the 2009 gubernatorial race and 2010 state legislative races. Democrats are hoping more for a repeat of 2008.

But while the influence of the top-ticket race cannot be overlooked, it's not the only factor, either. 

"If anything, Kaine's campaign just doesn't seem to have electrified the core constituencies in Virginia — and that's not to say George Allen has," Rozell told Patch on Wednesday. "But even with his troubles in 2006, Allen has always had a certain core of intensely enthusiastic supporters going back to the 1990s. Although that has diminished, of course, from what it used to be — there still are those strong Allen loyalists. He builds that kind of personal loyalty that Tim Kaine just doesn't quite possess on the same level with his supporters."

A recent Washington Post poll showed that only jobs and the economy stands out as a major issue in this race. No other single issue topped 5 percent of likely voters calling it the most important, according to the Post.

Tied into that is the awkward issue of sequestration — something that may at least be familiar to news hawks or federal employees or contractors, but may not be on the tip of the tongue of Joe Six-Pack. Yet the one-time stopgap measure could turn into a multimillion dollar albatross around Virginia's economic neck, costing thousands of defense and related jobs in Northern Virginia and Hampton Roads.

Because of the Northern Virginia locale, the issue is likely to come up — if not in a question, then by the candidates themselves. They've both been talking about it lately. A lot.

"It's kind of a weird situation. The most important issue in the overall economic picture of Virginia, and neither side seems to be able to get a leg up on this politically, because their parties agreed to it, because they couldn't come to an agreement," Skelley said. "It's hard for either candidate to credibly argue why they are more in the right than the other on this issue, because their parties agreed to it."

Kathy Keith September 23, 2012 at 07:37 PM
Carol, As far as your comment about the Obama flag being our flag--you may want to check out the Obama for American shop where you may buy an Obama flag for $35.00. At first glance, it appears to be an American flag with an Obama "O" where the starts normally are. Here is the link: https://store.barackobama.com/obama-2012-store-collections/artists-for-obama/our-stripes-flag-print.html
Kathy Keith September 23, 2012 at 07:47 PM
Kaine: 1. Gave away the Dulles Toll Road to MWAA. This is going to result in exorbitant increase of tolls for people west of the beltway. The tolls are already extremely high. It is expected that commuters will be paying $10 each way by the time the Metro opens. This does not account for the additional fees that those using the Greenway pay. 2. Kaine spent his last year in office as head of the DNC. He spent very little time on his day job as governor. 3.Kaines lobbied long and hard for the "Affordable" Health care act while at the DNC. This resulted in a devastating blow to our economy and an increase in health care costs to most consumers. 4. Kaine appointed a man to MWAA who has abused his office with misuse of funds. While Martire's actions may be legal, they are certainly not ethical or moral. Martire also helped stopped movement forward on the Metro by pushing for the requirement that only contractors with labor unions could bid. This from an appointee from a "right to work" state. I am not defending Allen's actions, but I do think it is questionable that it was intended as a racial slur. As far as voting records, I think that Allen would support an agenda which would improve the economy. Kaine has made it clear that he would support the Obama agenda.
Carol Lewis September 23, 2012 at 08:37 PM
Thank you, Kathy. I didn't know about the Obama flag and thought William was implying, as many do, that Obama serves some other country. As for your comment about whether Allen's macaca moment was meant as a racial slur, I think it was, given Allen's history of love of slave symbols and that it was directed in a nasty way at a man of color. He clearly thought the man was not from this country. In fact he was born in Virginia; Allen was not.
Kim September 23, 2012 at 08:41 PM
Mr. Campenni, if you had read my response above, you would see that my husband actually lived in Africa and knew the term "macaque" as a derogative term, similar to the "N" word in the U.S. Apparently that term was well-known in Africa at the time.
Barbara Glakas September 23, 2012 at 09:15 PM
I do in fact believe that Allen knew exactly what he was saying. Whether you want to call it a racial slur or an ethnic slur, it doesn’t really matter. It was a condescending insult, any way you want to look at it. And this is not an isolated incident. In addition to some of the comments that Allen has made in the past (that I cited in an above post), he also has a record of these things: -Three former college football teammates of Allen say that he repeatedly used the “n-word” and demonstrated racist attitudes toward blacks. -For a long time Allen refused to acknowledge his Jewish heritage. -He wore a Confederate flag pin for his high school senior class photo and had a Confederate flag in the front license plate frame. - He included a Confederate flag in one of his first TV campaign ads for governor. - He opposed a state holiday commemorating Martin Luther King Jr. - He voted against the 1991 Civil Rights Act. - He kept a Confederate flag and a hangman's noose in his Governor’s office. - He called General Assembly members dinosaurs and monarchical elitists. - He called Federal employees sanctimonious social engineers. At the very least, it could be reasonable to say that Allen is insensitive and tends to engage in bully-like behaviors. It is hard to imagine how would work cooperatively in the Senate, and fairly represent ALL the people of our diversely populated Virginia, or attract investors to Virginia, investors who respect diversity.


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