This early warm spring has brought green buds to trees, pollen to the air, gorgeous daffodils, and political campaign signs to our parks and yards letting us all know that there will be a Town Election on May 1. Up for election is our Town Council and Mayor, all of whom currently serve a two year, at large term. All candidates run as independents, without any party affiliation, which allows Federal employees, including military, to serve.
But getting back to the signs, a necessary evil in any electoral process. Even though I am an incumbent and again seeking election to Town Council, I admit to not being overly fond of political campaign signs as they make the Town look messy and obstruct the view of our normally beautiful parks, gardens and yards. I'd much rather see your daffodils blooming than signs!
Luckily, signs are governed by the Town's Zoning Ordinance as well as Virginia State Code. Political signs are exempt from receiving a sign permit but must adhere to town standards (specifically Section 78-202.7 of the zoning ordinance), which limits size to a total of nine square feet, prohibits the illumination of signs, and requires signs to be installed in a location that does not cause any potential traffic sight distance problems.
As far as location goes, signs may be displayed on public property that the Town has set aside specifically: these Town-owned properties are where candidates for public office may put up campaign signs: Runnymede Park, Town Hall Square, Spring Street Park, Trailside Park, Town Shop, Cuttermill Park, Haley M. Smith Park and the grass area to the north of Artspace at 750 Center Street.
Campaign signs are permitted to be displayed 60 days prior to the General Election, so signs can go up as of March 1. Virginia Code allows signs to be posted at outside official polling places during the times the polls are open and ballots are being counted, but they are not permitted within 40 feet of any entrance of any polling place. (Fairfax County has a very helpful FAQ section on campaign signs at: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpz/faqs/signsfaq.htm)
Candidates also received a reminder from the Town concerning the correct location for campaign signs on town property. Candidates may not place signs "within flower beds, at the base of permanent signs and in the brick planter beds located along the sidewalks within the downtown, including the sidewalk beds adjacent to Elden Street next to Town Hall."
Campaign signs are never permitted in the public right-of-way, such as along sidewalks or in median strip. Signs are never permitted on any part of the W&OD Trail, which is governed by the Northern Virginia Regional Parks Authority.
So if you see campaign signs in public places and parks that aren't specifically listed above, please call the Town or the candidates directly to have them removed. Please do not remove the signs yourself.
If you are a private homeowner or business and would like an approved political sign to display on your property, please contact the candidates individually to get one delivered - Patch has a directory of all candidates here.
And best of all, campaign signs must be removed by all candidates within 15 days of the election. In Herndon, candidates are typically more responsible and strive to get all of their signs down and back to their garages the day afterwards!
Richard Downer
12:33 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012
Very timely and informative. Thanks Grace!
Ruth Tatlock
4:49 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012
Thanks for keeping us informed, Grace!
Like you, I don't appreciate signs, especially around our beautiful old Town Hall, but it's only once every two years.
David Kirby
12:23 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
What happened to the 30 day rule when it comes to putting out yard signs? During my first campaign in 2002, after checking with the town, I was told that signs can go on the town designated spots 60 days before the election. So I set out and started putting out my signs. Then I was "told" by several candidates that we have an agreement between the candidates that we wait til 30 days. So I proceeded to take back those signs I had put out and waited for the 30 day mark. Yes, spring has sprung but flowers are nicer to look at than political signs
Manny
3:02 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
I was going to ask the same thing David!
Barbara Glakas
3:34 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Dave-- You may have had some kind of informal agreement with some others in 2002, but there is no such 30 day rule or ordinance. The town ordinance speaks to 60 days for campaign signs on public property. There are no time restrictions for private property (e.g., resident’s front yards), due to free speech issues. There are some size restrictions, however, for safety and visibility considerations. Everything is in the town’s zoning ordinance.
Manny
5:02 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
"You may have had some kind of informal agreement with some others in 2002"
Bill Tirrell's website this has been the practice since at least 1990, IIRC.
Sheila Olem
11:20 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
No one ever shared the rule with me. Who's in charge of this rule......
Mayor Lisa Merkel
5:20 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
I was unaware of any agreement, as no candidate ever pulled me aside to tell me about it this time or during my last campaign. Nice that you got that courtesy in 2002, Dave. I agree, spring flowers are prettier than signs for sure. I am thankful that Herndon candidates make a special effort remove signs as early as Election Night (which is my plan, and what I did in 2010.) If anyone sees any of my signs around town after May 2nd, please let me know and I will get them myself right away!!
Grace Han Wolf
6:22 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
I have run for office twice, once in 2010 and now in 2012, and then as now, no other candidate or incumbent has invited me to be part of any informal agreement on signs. So despite my dislike for campaign signs, the State Board of Election say 60 days is the rule, so when its the 60 day mark and my sign volunteers say they are ready to go put out signs, I say "Thank you!" I would not be unhappy should the SBE choose to officially change the date to 30 days prior to an election.
I am so very thankful to volunteers who helped me put up signs and more importantly, take them down on May 2nd! As with Lisa, if you see my signs around town after May 2nd, let me know so I can retrieve them asap as well!
Jim Seevers
8:29 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
If so many public servants do not like the signs, why not initiate action to limit or eliminate them? I doubt the SBE would object to local laws that are more restrictive. If Council members are concerned that the citizens you serve would be offended by the lack of signs, put it to a vote. I personally don't see the value of the signs -- I believe the citizens of Herndon are far better informed than to abide by the thought that the person with the most signs wins and that one candidate has more money to spend on signage than others. Perhaps the same money could be spent putting out informative brochures that describes what the candidate believes in best for the future of Herndon and SPECIFICALLY what actions/changes she or he will pursue. A brochure that represents a specific candidate, not the only one I have seen so far that seems to ask voters to vote in a block of candidates to provide a ready-made majority for all future votes. Actually, they had an interesting law in Hawaii when I served there in the military about 20 years ago -- a candidate's sign could be displayed as long as someone (not necessarily the candidate) was holding it. Will any of the current candidates advocate for a reduction (perhaps to two weeks) or elimination of signs?
John
9:35 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
"... the only one I have seen so far that seems to ask voters to vote in a block of candidates to provide a ready-made majority for all future votes."
I found this mailer interesting as well. Being new to the town I was under the impression that there was a tradition of non-partisan elections. While this is literally true, i.e. there will be no party identifications when we go into the voting booth, I was disappointed to see that the party machines are clearly involved. I guess I was too naive to expect things to be different in Herndon.
Grace Han Wolf
8:44 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
That's a great question, unfortunately the Town can not pass a law that overrides the state's laws on this matter, so any vote would be symbolic only and not actually be able to pass an ordinance to put a law on the Town's books. And for a great write up of individual positions, I would point all voters to each candidate's website - many of them do have exactly the information Mr. Seevers mentioned.
Grace Han Wolf
9:45 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Hi John, the flyer as well as the group on it is truly non/bi-partisan, there is a wide mix of personal political ideologies (which makes for some interesting discussions!) as well as a Federal Government employee. That candidate's presence on the flyer and as part of the group requires that no "party machines" are employed and that partisan endorsements are not made, among things. There is a long list of can't-do's for Federal Government employees and those can be found in the Hatch Act. One of the mayoral candidates is also a Federal Government employee and is also similarly restricted.
The important thing is that everyone is interested in putting aside personal differences and working together, bringing their own perspectives, the voices of the constituents and personal/professional/community experience to the issues facing our Town and work collectively toward the greater good for all residents. It is what I believe in and why I am on that flyer.
John
10:47 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Grace, would you be so kind as to remind us who is on the flyer in question? I am not at home at the moment and cannot recall everyone who appeared on it.
Dudley Caswell
2:00 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
You are correct, Ms Wolf, There is a diversity of political ideologies in the Cesar slate. But all are from the left, following the coaching of the Virginia New Majority, a subset of the sponsoring Service Employees International Union that bussed in 'witnesses' (most had to use a supplied translator) to the Town Council meetings as well as bringing a 'slate' card into the last election and had to use the paper ballot so they could copy down their instructions. We need more diversity of thought. I noticed there are no thoughts from the right in this mix.
George Burke
11:54 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
At the risk of wading into a kerfuffle over campaign signs, I'm pretty surprised that awareness of the 30-day "gentleperson's agreement" about campaign signs isn't more widespread. It's not supported by ordinance, and it's not a "rule," but it does represent a recognition that signs are a necessary evil whose use might possibly be curtailed through cooperation to a limited time frame. I'm not exactly at the center of things, and have never in fact run for office, but I've been aware of the understanding for years.
Bob Bruhns
1:59 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
I remember seeing this agreement mentioned years ago, but I do not see anyplace where it was officially codified. I guess it is something that has faded into history now.
I did not notice in recent years - is this the first year that people have put up signs here in March? I remember some of Phil Jones's signs being removed back in 2010 I think, but I have to review the record to see when that happened.
I personally don't mind the signs. I think they are fun, actually. They will be gone after the election.
Matt Genkinger
3:03 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
A necessary evil? We just reviewed the wisdom of campaign singage after last years general election. I believe this issue was discussed on this very piece of the Internet (Centreville Patch). There may be no law forbidding signs, and I think doing so would be an infringement of free political speech, but it certainly isn't all that wise. Candidates putting out their signs advertise their arrogance, ignorance, and complete disregard for those of us who complained about signage last fall? Do you really need 4 signs for each candidate in one park?
Matt Genkinger
10:23 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Fairfax Democrats disagree with you, Ms. Wolf - Do you really believe that your fellow "slate" candidates aren't engaged with local political parties? Perhaps it was a coincidence that Ms. Olem's February 22nd fundraiser was hosted by Fairfax County Democrat Committee Chairman Cesar del Aguila with special guest Supervisor John Foust (D)? Lets not pretend that party politics have not inserted themselves in the race. Your "slate" boasts endorsements from several elected officials, all but one a Democrat. So, lets be honest - for once.
Bob Bruhns
11:14 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
After the things I have seen in my lifetime, I have little use for EITHER party. I look at the candidates, and decide whether they will do what is needed and what is right.
As for the campaign signs, maybe this issue can be discussed, and the candidates can say what they think about it. If voters are offended by them, then the early appearance of signs may have an undesired effect on their associated campaigns.
Personally I am not offended by them, but some others seem to be. It will be April 1 very soon, so it is moot for this year, but maybe the Herndon 30-day pre-election signage agreement should be made official, or semi-official, for future elections. I don't see this as anywhere near as important an issue as the Metro Area Plan, but maybe the candidates should have a brief discussion of the idea. Probably it can not be enacted as law if Virginia does not call for it, but it can be an understood agreement locally if people want it to be.
William Campenni
4:39 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
". . . the flyer as well as the group on it is truly non/bi-partisan"
Nice try Ms. Wolf. The long tradition, and legal necessity, of Herndon elections being non-partisan was breached in 2010, and totally destroyed in this election.
Cesar del Aguila, recently elected as Fairfax County Democrat Chairman with the help of everyone on your "slate", brags on his website the following about the 2010 election:
"Lead the Democratic slate in the Herndon Town Council race – we beat the Tea Party!" That slate included candidates Merkel, Olem, and Singh. We hear no denial of del Aguila's claim from them.
You can also watch Cesar's video on how helpful he and the Dulles Area Democrats he headed at the time were for the candidacies of Merkel, Wolf, Olem and Cesar himself. Watch it here quick before he pulls it down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuHts9PG1Kw). Especially listen to this year's fellow slate candidate Eric Boll state that Cesar and friends "turned Herndon into an emeging stronghold for the Democratic Party".
That's NON-PARTISAN Ms Wolf? There have been no disclaimers on del Aguila's or Boll's comments of a Democrat slate in 2010 or 1012 from fellow video performers on that video like you, Ms. Wolf, or slate partners Mesdames Olem and Merkel, so what other conclusion is there other than, as Mr. Boll claims, you want to turn Herndon's non-partisan elections into "an emerging stronghold for the Democrat Party"?
Care to explain all that "non-partisanship"?
Valerie
8:26 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
What concerns me was the comment Vice Mayor Merkel made, "I just knocked on whatever doors Cesar told me to".
BK
8:24 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
The “team” concept of Town elections is deeply disturbing whether it is strictly “partisan” or not. We all know what it means to be part of a team and to be a team player. Teams have a common game plan and their loyalty is first and foremost to the team. In addition, by pooling their resources, they have a financial advantage over those candidates who choose to go it alone. If Ms. Merkel and enough members of her “team” of Wolf, Olem, Davidson, Jonas, and Boll are elected, she will control the Town agenda and the others will vote as a block to back her up. That is far too much power. There will be very little room for independent, critical thinking and healthy debate on the issues. I will be looking for candidates who are independent, analytical thinkers and do not need a “team” to get elected.
Concerned
10:06 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Thanks for posting the link to the video. One of the men interviewed does not even live in the Town. Another outsider trying to determine the Town's future.
Bob Bruhns
11:01 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
This is not a plus. Council should represent the people of Herndon, not the local head of one of the major parties. And Council should be a deliberative body, not a resolution passing machine. Recently we almost got a very bad Metro Area Plan because of a mad-rush mentality. Did somebody also direct the people who were calling for its immediate approval? We need more deliberative care, and less political direction, I think.
I will continue to consider candidates on their individual merits and track records.
Barbara Glakas
11:21 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Just like all the writers on this website, individual residents, in their private lives, have the right to associate themselves with any party they want, or support/vote for whomever they want. However, there are no “R’s,” “D’s” or “I’s” in the Herndon election. Ironically, the group of candidates who have chosen to support Lisa Merkel is made up of variety of people who represent a variety of political persuasions. The thing they DO have in common, however, is that they have a shared vision to move Herndon forward. It speaks to Lisa’s leadership ability that she could rally such a group of diverse and talented group of people together. I encourage readers to read each candidate’s website on the Patch’s “2012 Herndon Election Candidate Directory.”
Matt Genkinger
2:52 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
How is one exemplifying leadership by doing whatever a party boss tells them to do?
Concerned
4:57 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Good question, Matt.
Concerned
11:58 am on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Barbara, That may have been true in the past, but in the video the man doing the interviews, Caesar, identifies himself as a Democrat. The vice-mayor's comment is that she did whatever he told her to do. It is very difficult to take the words of these candidates back when they have gone on record publicly.
Kathleen Spiegelberg
9:20 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
How sad that Jeffrey Davidson has taken it upon himself to decide what signs get to go up on our PROPERTY.. SHAME ON you. Let me just quote "Bill,
I'm glad to see that you have your signs up. Congratulations! I want to bring your attention to one of your signs that has been placed on Towns on the Greens HOA private property. It is just to the left of the entrance to Lisa Ct. near Crestview and Bond. The other signs there are approved by the HOA president, namely me! You and Lisa have caused me to have to choose between you, and I have chosen to support Lisa. I hope you understand. I would like you to have that sign removed.
With respect for all that you have done,
Jeff Davidson"
Im sorry but I do not remember anything in the by laws saying who could put up signs where on our property. If this is any indication of what kind of Councilman you would make, it is shameful.. shame shame.. I have sent you an email demanding a meeting of your board of directors to close this dictorialship in your handling of our affairs.
Concerned
9:32 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
It would appear that there is clearly a conflict of interest here since Jeffrey Davidson is running for council on the "slate".
Matt Genkinger
10:33 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Kathleen, please post the progress of your efforts. I agree with you completely; if the way Mr. Davidson handled this situation is an indication of who he will conduct himself as a Town Councilman, the voters of Herndon need to know. If he is willing to silence freedom of speech in your HOA's shared property, well, I think you know what I'm talking about.
Bob Bruhns
12:09 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Can someone post a pdf of that message? Was it a letter, or an e-mail?
Barbara Glakas
11:22 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Dear Matt and "Concerned" (Sorry – I don’t know who you are),
You say “party boss” as if Cesar is an evil person whom Lisa is beholden to. Nothing could be further than the truth. Lisa has proven herself to be a leader who can work with people from any political stripe for the good of Herndon. Lisa has not only worked with Cesar, who is a Herndon resident, but she has also worked with Richard Downer, Harlon Reece, Tom Rust and Stu Mendelssohn. The video mentioned shows a variety of people from diverse political backgrounds talking about all the good things that are happening in Herndon now --– a focus on economic development, Herndon’s “Virginia Go Green” award, rail to Dulles, an aggressive recycling program, the downtown master plan, etc. It talked about good candidates who work for good causes, who are there to do things for the town. That’s what I mean by a “shared vision.”
BK
8:51 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
It is the way Ms. Merkel and her team have chosen to implement this “shared vision” that I find so troubling. In bringing together this “team” of like-minded individuals, they have created a political entity, whatever you choose to call it. I am sure that Ms. Merkel and her team want what they perceive to be the best course for Herndon to take in the future, but they are attempting to push forward their vision with a built-in majority on the Council, effectively silencing dissent. Remember that it was dissenting voices that stopped a flawed Metro Plan that would have had traffic at a stand-still and stopped the installation of a round-about on Dranesville Road that would have been impossible for school buses to negotiate. We need dissenting voices in this Town to provide healthy debates on important issues and to do that we need independent candidates not tied to any political group or “team”.
Concerned
9:29 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
I never used the phrase "party boss" in either of my comments. The video speaks volumes.
I beg to differ. The video does not show a lot of people from diverse backgrounds. It shows three sitting council members, you, a man who is currently running for a seat on our Town Council, and a gentleman who does not even live in the Town, but consistently demonstrates his desire to shape the Town's destiny.
The current Vice Mayor has not been a leader. She opposed the Campaign Finance Initiative when it was proposed by our current Mayor, Steve De Benedittis as well as other initiatives. You should probably go back and watch some of the videos of the council meetings where these things occurred. They are all on tape. I see that she is now taking credit for this. Perhaps Mr. Campeni can post a link to that video as well.
Thank goodness for the clear sightedness of Jasbinder Singh, Bill Tirrell, Steve De Benedittis, and Connie Hutchison who were able to stop certain council members forcing a very bad Metro plan on the Town.
I can only speak for myself, but like Mr. Bruhns, I want a deliberative council not a "slate" who push through ordinances for the Town that reflect only their views and agenda.
Concerned
9:30 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
The two previous councils brought respect back to Herndon, brought into being a very strong Anti-Solicitation Ordinance, and brought 287G to the Town. The current Vice-Mayor with her "slate," over the objections of the Town Attorney, voted to water down that ordinance when pressured by the Virginia New Majority. All of this can be found on video at the Town of Herndon website.
Barbara Glakas
9:44 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Sorry for any confusion.... it was Matt who used the phrase "party boss" and then you had responsed to him with, "Good question." That's why I wrote my response to the both of you.
Matt Genkinger
10:29 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
You are darned right that Cesar is a party boss. He is a power hungry partisan hack, part of President Obama's "truth team" that "investigates" lies about the President, who ran as a candidate for both FCDC Vice Chair of Dranseville District and Chair of the FCDC, who has been an advocate for and recipient of campaign donations from labor unions. Obviously the slate has freedom to associate with whomever they wish, but they do so at their own peril.
Barbara Glakas
9:38 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Dear BK,
The townspeople did have a very healthy debate on those issues, with many people writing to the town council, as well as coming to council meetings to testify. This can all be viewed on the town's webcast. Lisa Merkel was very open about soliciting public comment and getting peoples’ feedback. She did not make any attempt to “silence dissent.” As a matter of a fact, as you recall, the roundabout at Dranesville Road and Park Avenue did not go through exactly because Lisa and others on Council determined, after hearing much input from the townspeople, that there was not enough public support for this project, so she ended up voting against it. Had Lisa wanted to silence dissent and push forward her own view despite the public’s will, she would have voted for the roundabout. But that did not happen. She listened to the people.
Barbara Glakas
9:59 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Dear Concerned,
Regarding your above comment about previous councils being strong on Anti- solicitation ordinance and 287g, I would have to agree with you that those kinds of topics dominated those previous councils' agenda. But I think that represents a fundamental difference in vision. Lisa Merkel supports 287g but she is also eager to take care of the Town’s other important business –-- bringing metro to Herndon, getting the bike trails and downtown streetscapes completed, preserving our town services, attracting new businesses to town so that we can keep our tax rates low, working on the downtown master plan, etc. So, I think there is a fundamental difference here. We can either have a new council who wants to prioritize immigration issues, or we can have a new council who wants to prioritize economic development, services and land use issues. The townspeople will choose the priorities of their new government.
William Campenni
7:06 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Nice try, but it was the current Council majority of Merkel, Olem, Wolf and Singh who focused on nothing else BUT immigration for the first 8 months of their tenure - first by getting Herndon out of the Culpeper Coalition.
Then after watching a fortnightly parade of Virginia New Majority flash mobs bussed in to take over the Public Sessions, (the same Virginia New Majority whose leader Jon Liss says he elected this Council majority (video here: http://vodpod.com/watch/4040207-grittv-jon-liss-progressiveness-and-its-discontents)) this majority neutered the anti-Solicitaion Ordinance, supposedly to make the streets safe for cheerleader car washes. How many of those have you seen on Elden St. since? Jon Liss and his deputy then remarked on how their pressure on this council which they got elected with thousands of dollars and thousands of labor hours paid off in getting the ordinance nuked.
Ironically, or maybe not, it was this same group who in 2005 supported the day labor site being created, so it could be said that THEY have been focusing on immigration (BTW, it's ILLEGAL immigration) for eight years now.
Please keep your facts straight.
William Campenni
3:38 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Extension of Remarks: The Virginia New Majority did not endorse Ms. Wolf in 2010. She has voted consistently with the VNM-sponsored Council members, however, on most of the important issues to make up the Council majority voting block.
Concerned
10:02 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
"Had Lisa wanted to silence dissent and push forward her own view despite the public’s will, she would have voted for the roundabout. But that did not happen. She listened to the people."
As for the roundabout issue she is running for public office and recognized defeat.
Valerie M
11:05 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
"-- bringing metro to Herndon, getting the bike trails and downtown streetscapes completed, preserving our town services, attracting new businesses to town so that we can keep our tax rates low, working on the downtown master plan, etc."
Lisa Merkle can take no credit for bringing Metro to Herndon. It was and is coming whether or not Ms. Merkle becomes mayor, and was in the planning stages long before she became the vice-mayor. The actual stop will be in the center of the Toll Road, with primary access on Sunrise Valley NOT Herndon Parkway. Currently there is a plan for a pedestrian walkway from a point just off of Herndon Parkway. A pedestrian walkway that we, the residents and tax payers of Herndon, will have to pay for that has no parking access for commuters.
Lisa'a website has lots of lovely slogans, and what she thinks are the issues, but unlike her two opponents she does not tell the voters just HOW she intends to solve these issues on her website. Reread what you have written here as Lisa'a agenda. Pie in the sky with no real solutions. Nowhere does she explain how she will accomplish her agenda. Is she relying on stacking the Council to just vote in her agenda.
I have to wonder why Grace and Lisa have been silent in this discussion since Mr. Campenni posted a link to the video that has been referenced by you, Concerned, Matt and Bob? Shouldn't they be speaking for themselves here? While I enjoy your posts, they are running for office Ms. Glakas, not you.
Barbara Glakas
8:48 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Dear "a voter,"
Of course Lisa did not literally bring metro to Herndon. The intent behind the expression “bringing metro to Herndon” is that one of Lisa’s primary goals is to make sure that Herndon takes full advantage of the metro line for the town’s economic benefit. She is the one, for example, who got the Metro sign erected along Herndon Parkway to start generating interest amongst the townspeople and the business community about the metro line.
The previous council refused to talk about metro for the majority of time they were in office. I attend most council meetings. Councilman Downer at the time asked the Mayor many times to put Metro on the Town Council’s agenda so that Herndon would not get behind in planning, but the Mayor would not..... (continued....)
Barbara Glakas
8:51 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
.....(continued from previous post....)...It wasn’t until the Chamber of Commerce took the initiative to have a town meeting about Metro that finally forced the town council’s hand. Since the previous council had delayed in talking about metro and refused to ask the County for any help, Herndon had nothing but a plan for a sidewalk with no real drop-off/pick-up point for commuters. The other stations along the Silver line had plans for their metro stops because Fairfax County moved forward with their planning while Herndon didn’t even have Metro on their agenda.
Lisa and her colleagues on the current town council made sure that the planning around our metro stop got back onto the Town agenda. She also started talking to Supervisor John Foust and the Fairfax County Planning staff to solicit their help. There is currently a proposed plan to put in a drop-off point with pull-off areas for busses and improved sidewalks and pedestrian crosswalks, leading to our Herndon Metro stop. These actions are a result of the work of Lisa and her fellow council members on this current council.
Leslie Perales Loges
11:48 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Hi, everyone. Chiming in to say thank you for all your participation and discussion here! Looking forward to continued discussions on the election over the next couple weeks on Patch.
Also wanted to remind everyone to try to stay on topic on article/blog comment threads, and be civil to each other (I don't see anything objectionable on here at this point). If there is anything that's objectionable, or things start to get out of control, I do have the ability to moderate/shut down comments. Again, this is just a reminder—nothing happening now.
If you would like to check out what's ok/not ok on Patch, head over to our Terms of Use (http://herndon.patch.com/terms). There's a bulleted list under "Acceptable Use Policy" that pretty much outlines what users need to know. For example, no profanity or veiled profanity. And if you see anything that you find questionable or want me to check out, you can flag it and I'll see it in the moderation queue, or feel free to send me an email at leslie@patch.com.
Thank you!
Valerie M
7:51 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Once again, I have to ask - Why isn't Grace Wolf responding or Lisa Merkel? They are running for office. This is Grace's blog. Grace initiated the "non/bi-partisan" issue/discussion in one of her comments. The now two posted video links speak volumes as to partisanship on the part of several incumbent council members and one person who is running for office.
As a voter I would really rather hear what Vice Mayor Merkel and Councilwoman Wolf have to say in response to all of this.
Barbara Glakas
8:33 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Dear "a voter,"
I think Lisa, Grace or any other Council member would be happy to hear from you and answer your questions on this or any other matter, if you would just e-mail or call them. Their contact information is on Patch's Candidate directory.
Thanks. Have a good day!
Valerie M
8:55 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
But why won't either Grace or Lisa respond to this publicly? This is Grace's blog, and she did bring up this issue?
CriticalVoter
9:06 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Because most likely, you are just another right wing troll who doesn't even live in the Town nor care about any meaningful conversation. The vast majority of these blog comments are useless conversations that serve no relevant purpose to voters who want to understand the issues. Why should anyone respond to your inaccuracies?
Matt Genkinger
9:21 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
[In response to "Critical Voter"] Pot, meet Kettle. You don't believe that, should Councilman Tirrell have significant support from the likes of the Fairfax County Republican Committee, that you wouldn't be here talking about partisanship?
CriticalVoter
9:27 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
This issue isn't partisanship but sign policy, or I am on another blog? Oh, wait, self serving republicans have hijacked this thread to spew their position. No thanks.
Valerie M
9:32 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Dear CriticalVoter, FYI I do live in the town, and am a registered Democrat. I will vote in this election. I am still waiting for a public response from Councilwomen Wolf, Olem, and Merkel on the serious issues raised in this blog. A public response is critical at this juncture from these ladies themselves.
CriticalVoter
9:37 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Why don't you take the advice given earlier in this mostly useless pile of responses - to email them with your name and proving you are a registered voter in their district and see what they have to say. Til then, you are just another troll, imho.
Valerie M
10:00 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Dear CriticalVoter, Because these videos are public and there has been so much public discussion on this very important topic initiated by the author of this blog in her comments, many of us who will be voting in this election feel that the Councilwomen who appeared in the video and who were referenced in the Virginia New Majority video need to respond publicly. Just because I am a Democrat does not mean that I approve or want to see the Town elections become partisan. They have always been nonpartisan, and that has always been part of the attraction of Herndon. For that reason these ladies need to become part of this public discussion.
Leslie Perales Loges
11:43 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
Ok. Another warning to be nice. No name calling. If someone calls anyone a troll again (or any other name calling) I'm closing the thread. Our Patch policies boiled down are:
“Keep it clean,” “Don’t try to trick people,” and “Treat others as you’d like to be treated.”
Additionally I'll point this one out:
Patch believes in transparency, and we ask that all your registration information be truthful. You may not use any aliases or other means to mask your true identity.
(That's a hard and fast Patch rule, but I've been lenient with it.)
Leslie Perales Loges
2:01 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
Further info on that second point:
I've pretty much always allowed anonymous comments because it hasn't been an issue. However, if someone is posting comments that violate our terms of use (attacks, name calling, spam, etc.) and they have an anonymous name I'll be more likely to go straight toward suspending their account.
Doug Shuster
3:10 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
These campaign blogs are getting a lot of attention, which is good. But a healthy dialogue has quickly devolved into name calling and vitriol. I give the candidates a huge amount of credit for putting their necks out on the line. I know it's not easy because I've stuck my own neck out there recently on the Metro Area issue and had a few people take their best whacks at it.
We are and will remain neighbors in a fairly small town and we should have the decency to speak well to one another even when we disagree on the issues. I would hope that out of respect for the candidates, people will use their full names when commenting on these campaign blogs.
Leslie Perales Loges
1:08 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Thank you, Doug, for this comment. I was truly hoping that the great dialogue we saw early on in this discussion would continue, but just as you said, it "has quickly devolved into name calling and vitriol."
I know a lot of other forum-type websites throughout the region are known for this type of discussion, but I would really like for things to remain neighborly here on Patch. There are ways for people to converse, without the rudeness, bitterness or condemnation. I've been told by multiple candidates now that if this is how the blogs are going to be, they will not participate.
William Campenni
8:45 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Leslie, I believe that these candidates are being a little bit disingenuous with you.
This thread started out with a proper discussion of the issues, and was itself originated by a candidate, Grace Wolf.
It was that same candidate who made the verifiably wrong statement that a slate of candidates were "non-partisan", when there is a mountain of evidence, with videos posted here, that she and her slate are indeed running as "Democrats" with the full imprimatur and support of the Democrat Party. That is a first for the Town of Herndon, where truly non-partisan elections were the standard, and required by Town charter. One member of this candidate "slate", another first, is publicly boasting as to how he and his video co-stars, Wolf, Merkel, Olem, Boll, are "turning Herndon into an emerging stronghold for the Democrat Party". The same video ends with the following: "DEMOCRATS DON"T GIVE UP". That is the essence of the discussion herein.
It is rather amusing, therefore, when caught in the act of making an election a partisan one, that these candidates, including Wolf who started the thread, now use the rudeness of one of their own supporters, the anonymous CriticalVoter, as their excuse for not participating.
And the Patch itself, if it is to a news entity and not a political blog, has a duty to ask these candidates to explain themselves and their actions, and to discuss issues, not self-aggrandizing puff pieces more appropriate to the Post Style section.
Leslie Perales Loges
11:57 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
I'm looking into it, Bill.
Bob Bruhns
9:53 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Despite its brawl-like qualities, this discussion has been interesting and informative. But it seems inappropriate that the candidates should be dragged down from their virtual podiums and beaten up by the crowd, even though some in the crowd have a valid point to make. This is especially true in this case, because Grace Wolf - whether you agree with her or not - is the one who has really put herself out the most, many times, to report the Council goings-on online.
Yes, all of the people on that flyer and on that video are members of one major party. But the flyer itself did not push the party, nor did it even mention the party at all. It presented a group of candidates, it highlighted in very general terms their purpose and policy, it portrays them as team of candidates working on a certain group of issues, and it provided contact and website information for them. Agree or disagree with these candidates, that is really all I see in the flyer. Maybe the idea of a team is out of place, maybe the team leader is unelected and too high above the team, maybe not, this can be discussed. But the flyer is not really a smoking gun.
The video, though not part of this election, is nonetheless interesting, and it will be very significant to some, if not many. It should indeed be discussed, but probably in a different discussion thread.
Bob Bruhns
9:59 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
What worked in the past was candidate interviews, with comments and remarks by readers kept separate. It is good and proper that people should be able to comment, and Patch has been an excellent place to do that. But although this blog arrangement allowed serious issues to be discussed, it also dragged the candidates down to the same level as anonymous pen-name posters, who can make outrageous and damaging claims, true or false, without consequence. And that has detracted from the value of the forum.
Probably there should be no comments allowed in the candidate blogs themselves. They should be a place where a candidate can make his or her statements. Comments there, however valid, are too much like graffiti.
Comments and discussions should happen elsewhere nearby, in another blog-like forum here on Patch.
I will bet that the candidates (some, anyway) will get into those comment discussions, and slug it out like champions. But I can understand if they don't want their own blogs filled with so much graffiti that it is hard to find their comments in it at all.
William Campenni
10:19 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Sorry Bob, but when a candidate makes a dishonest statement in this thread, namely, that her slate is non-partisan, all the surrounding evidence needs to be brought into the discussion to establish its validity. As the court would say, she opened this line of inquiry herself.
If you allow candidates to make ". . . his or her statements" without allowing rebutting comments to their often false or misleading claims, then it becomes a campaign advertisement. Let them pay for that themselves, elsewhere.
Actions have consequences. Nobody forced these candidates to appear in a highly politicized and viciously partisan video. None of them have made any disclaimers that they were not in agreement with the essence of that video, as spoken by one of the slate candidates, that they will "turn Herndon into an emerging stronghold for the Democrat Party".
This is an election. If the candidates can't be held accountable for their positions, or are unable or unwilling to defend their views, they ought to consider another line of work.
Valerie M
2:14 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Bob, I have always enjoyed reading your posts here on the Patch, but you are wrong. No one is attacking any of the candidates. People are responding to a statement that the author of this blog posted. Thank you, Mr. Campenni, for posting those videos. They are real eye openers for those of us who live here.
Bob, the so-called "slate" candidates are not addressing the issues that are important to Herndon. As Mr. Campenni pointed out their blogs are, indeed, happy puff pieces that clearly do not address the issues or talk about viable solutions to the issues facing the Town. They seem have lots of ideas, but no solutions.
Matt Genkinger
10:02 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Agreed, Bob. Maybe Leslie will write an article on the video, or otherwise post it as a separate discussion?
Leslie Perales Loges
11:51 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Looking into it, Matt.
William Campenni
10:50 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Good idea Matt, and if the Patch is truly a news entity, and not a recipe exchange blog, it needs to start a discussion on the pending arrival of the Virginia New Majority and its plan to set up phone banks and canvass thousands of homes for "its" candidates.
Who are "its" candidates? Why is the VNM waiting to start until after the April 15 due date for campaign finance reporting, thereby hiding its role in the Herndon elections? Where are the candidates' statements renouncing the support of this self-admitted race- and class-exploiting arm of the SEIU? And that means not just saying you have not received any direct support from the VNM, but that you don't want them campaigning for you, or canvassing for you, or setting up phone banks in Alexandria for you, or providing any other indirect support.
Or should we ignore that, and talk about the candidates favorite cookie recipes?
Bob Bruhns
11:23 am on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Bill, you are great, but I disagree. The candidates got hundreds of signatures in order to appear on the ballot for these offices. I think that gives them standing to be presented in an op-ed form. These are the ones who offered themselves, and who the people have chosen to run.
Citizens should have a place to comment here as well. But we have 24,000-some citizens, and maybe a dozen candidates. The candidates will be buried in comments if they do not have an elevated platform of some sort.
If a candidate uses that platform to talk about cookie recipes, well then the voters can decide if that's what they want from their representatives. Competing candidates might use the platform to better advantage. But if they all stay away... hmmm. Let's see, maybe we can see them mix it up one afternoon at the Chamber of Commerce's Candidate Meeting.
As for VNM, I think VNM represents a challenge, if not a threat, to the political structure we saw on the video. VNM made them out to be anti-immigration thugs back in the Street Solicitation hearings, and showed up singing fractured Christmas carols at their doors. That was a bizarre political power struggle from a bizarre group. I think they are more connected with the old 'Alliance' than anything else, and Herndon will be better off when they find something else to do.
William Campenni
12:38 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Bob:
I really liked the intro - "You are great"
Bob Bruhns
3:49 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Yeah, well, you know.
One of the members of the group did say something on the video about making Herndon a Democratic stronghold. The combination of the flyer and the video is definitely a subject for discussion, and something for voters to consider.
Doug Shuster
4:18 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Now that people have stopped calling each other trolls, let me weigh in. I also take issue with the team approach. I can understand the need for pooling resources during a campaign, but unfortunately it seems to carry over into the councilmembers' work on the council. Olem, Wolf, and Merkel worked and voted as a block on most of the issues, effectively shutting out any opposing views. You might ask how a block of three can make a majority on a council of seven. The reason is that Bill Tirrell effectively became part of their block, giving them a majority and the ability to rubberstamp things like the Metro Area Plan. The manner in which these three councilmembers operate is more like a clique than a team, and the worrisome thing about a clique is that they don't listen to outsiders, including their constituents who may have different ideas on the issues.
Bill Tirrell
10:33 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Doug,
What was the phrase – “There he goes again.” I am definitely not part of that block, or any block or group. There are times when our votes may be congruent, if for different reasons. In the case of the Metro plan, it was to get the process moving, but not to rush rashly into the following more critical steps like zoning, without further study and analysis. Please review the meetings about the Comprehensive Plan. I took great care in dealing with the Plan amendment to ensure it was as ‘correct’ as I could make it. I made the second motion that we review our work to ensure we would not pass a Zoning Ordinance Amendment (this the ‘binding’ change) predicated on a ‘bad’ foundation. Nice try to belittle my effort and try to ‘tie’ me to some block, group, or slate, Doug, but it doesn’t wash.
Leslie Perales Loges
5:11 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Out of curiosity, would anyone who has a copy of the flier being spoken about be able to take photos of it to send to me? I don't live in Herndon (I live in Reston, less than a mile from the town limits) so I didn't get one. I'm doing some research and would like to see it. Email me at leslie@patch.com!
Bob Bruhns
4:59 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
I will scan it when I get home and send it to you, Leslie.
Tom Kellner
5:32 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Since the essence of this blog is signs, I would love to know the stand of the political canidates about signage for commercial property. As a former owner of a retail service business, I can tell you that proper signage, or the lack of it, can either make or break a business. Now that at least some of the canidates see the importance of getting their name out there, will they be willing to allow our commercial neighbors enough signs to survive?
Think this isn't a problem; pretend you are going through downtown for the first time and tell me what businesses you would patronize after looking at the inadequate little signage that is allowed.
Dave Webster
7:14 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Tom,
I have no position on the permitted size of commercial signs other than I would be willing to consider any suggestions the business community has. I also would be willing to look at our parking space requirements for businesses to see if those need to be revamped.
Jane
7:38 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Cookie recipes and cliques? Sounds sexist to me.
Leslie Perales Loges
12:41 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
None of the candidates have written about cookies or recipes on Patch. However, Patch blogs are open to anyone in the community—including stay at home moms looking to share their knowledge, experiences around town and, yes, their recipes, with other local moms. Our bloggers include retired teachers, Realtors, moms, sports trainers, Girl Scout groups and more.
Valerie M
8:00 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Jane - The "slate" candidates write happy , little blogs that do nothing to address the issues facing the Town. This is Grace Wolf's blog. I am amazed that she has not responded to the two video links. If she is making a statement that this is a nonpartisan election then she should want to respond here. As I said in a post on Ms. Merkel's blog, the silence is deafening, and, I might add, very telling.
Leslie Perales Loges
12:38 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
I'm working on a separate article. I have responses from both Grace and Lisa.
Valerie M
1:17 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Leslie, I commend you on writing an article with responses from the two councilwomen, but once again they fail to speak for themselves, and refuse to engage with the voters in Herndon directly by dialoging with us on this and other Patch Blogs.
Manny
2:26 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Valerie, maybe they are asking Cesar how best to respond.
Valerie M
8:19 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Manny, that would be very sad. These ladies are loosing credibility daily due to their continued silence, and continued refusal to dialog with their constituents in a public forum.
Doug Shuster
11:51 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Councilmember Tirrell,
I didn't mean to belittle your efforts, they were a good second best and I appreciate your efforts to put the brakes on and take a second look at some of the analysis. But you carried the deciding vote on whether we reject this plan and develop a plan that makes sense. It is indeed a bad foundation and it is doubtful that the Town staff and their consultants will find anything wrong with the previous analysis if they don't want to. As the analysis to date shows, these studies are easily manipulated to give the client their desired results - objectivity is elusive. For example, the latest Metro Area Plan simply changed the assumptions from the previous plan to come up with the density they wanted. This is unacceptable and they should have been taken to task then and there.
Doug Shuster
11:51 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Jane,
As far as I know, cliques are not gender specific (clique - a small group of people with shared interests, who spend time together and exclude others). And I think that men and women alike enjoy a good cookie recipe (although that was not my comment).
Ann H Csonka
1:42 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
Merkel 5:20 Mar26 “I agree, spring flowers are prettier… Kirby 12:23 Mar26 Yes…flowers are nicer to look at than political signs
One reason for signs: to remind citizens about an election. Sadly, it doesn’t increase turnout; too many simply do not “get it” that local government is important in their daily lives. Thankfully, in the town, you will NOT find signs in medians, or in other roadsides. When they are put there, they are removed by the Town staff (another unnoticed small service). As Grace said: “…if you see campaign signs in public places and parks that aren't specifically listed above, please call the Town or the candidates…to have them removed.”
One of the best traditions has been that candidates (often except for Hutchinson) remove their signs while waiting for returns, though the Code stipulates to remove within 15 days after election.
SIGN STORY: ”Flowers are nicer”. That’s why we made John De Noyer’s signs as in the photo above. After his first 2 terms the slashing, stealing or spray-painting of his signs did not occur as it had earlier, so we used the same heavy-duty signs for 6 or 7 more terms. AND, more candidates started keeping signs for another run instead trashing them. We got a few more printed in the mid-1990’s because people WANTED tulip-signs to go with their real flowers and we always ran out.
Only mentioning that because there are more decorative
options. BUT once you have a sign design, it’s good to keep it.