Town Considers Roundabout for Intersection of Dranesville and Park
According to consultants from VHB, a traffic circle would slow and calm traffic through the intersection, resulting in fewer crashes
The intersection of Dranesville Road and Park Avenue in the town of Herndon could be seeing a roundabout next year.
A roundabout, or traffic circle, is the preferred option of the town’s consultants, Vanasse Hangen Brustlin. Options for improving the intersection were discussed Thursday night at Herndon’s Mary Ingram Council Chambers.
The town began studying improvements to the intersection of Dranesville and Park about two years ago, after seeing many accidents, and getting many complaints from local residents.
Many of the accidents that take place at the intersection aren’t even reported. According to some residents, there are drivers who will go off the road, hit a tree, mailbox, house or other object, and continue on their way.
Bob Boxer, director of public works for the town, said speed is the biggest factor in crashes at the intersection, with drivers often taking the turn too fast. VHB consultant Charlie O’Connell said the most important improvement that needs to be made is slowing drivers down.
The first option for the intersection is to simply clean it up, O’Connell said. He said they would take Dranesville from Bennett to Park down to two lanes and construct a raised median on the road.
They would create a left turn bay for drivers going from southbound Dranesville and continuing onto Dranesville past Herndon Elementary School. New paint lines and patterns would complete the improvements.
The second option would be to create a full-size roundabout with a raised center. The roundabout would have truck aprons, so that trucks or other large vehicles would be able to drive over the edges to make the turns. Passenger vehicles would be deterred from driving on the slips.
The third and final option for the intersection is a mini-roundabout, O’Connell said. He said the mini roundabout would not have a prominently raised center, and if needed large trucks could drive over the center to make turns. The center would still be raised enough that it would deter passenger vehicles from driving over it, he said.
O’Connell said it has been proven that traffic fatalities drop by about 90 percent in an intersection when replaced with a roundabout. He encouraged those at Thursday’s meeting to drive through Gilbert’s Corner on Route 50 to experience a set of roundabouts built by VHB.
Residents questioned whether area drivers would know what to do when they come to the roundabout, and were concerned that unfamiliarity with it might cause accidents.
O’Connell said at first there is a learning curve for people to adjust to driving through roundabouts, but overall they calm and slow down traffic. He said even slowing down traffic means crashes that occur there aren’t as serious as in a normal intersection.
When driving in roundabouts, those who are approaching the circle have to yield to traffic within the circle, which has the right-of-way, O’Connell said. He said as long as there are cars, there will be accidents, but overall roundabouts are safer than regular intersections.
O’Connell said the drawings presented Thursday night are concepts only, and engineering can chance in the meantime to provide a better intersection for school buses, trucks, and improvements for pedestrians.
The Herndon Town Council will be discussing the Dranesville and Park intersection improvements at its Aug. 3 work session at 7 p.m. at the Mary Ingram Council Chambers, 765 Lynn St. While work sessions do not provide the opportunity for public comment, residents who wish to address the intersection can write to the Town Council at town.clerk@herndon-va.gov, or to individual members of the council (email addresses can be found here).
John Davis
6:46 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011
Their first option of reducing Dranesville from 4-lane to 2-lane divided highway from Bennett to Park wouldn't just slow things down, it would create complete traffic gridlock. Really bad idea!
KJ Sowder
12:21 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011
If the goal is to drive traffic onto Herndon Parkway and away from downtown, this will do nicely. I will drive out of my way to avoid a traffic circle.
ScottRAB
1:11 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
Modern roundabouts are the safest form of intersection in the world. Visit www.iihs.org for safety facts. The safety comes from the ‘slow and go’ operation instead of the ‘stop or go fast’ way a stop light works (or the ‘keep going fast’ large traffic circle fantasy). The smaller size of the modern roundabout is what makes them safer and keeps speeds in the 20 mph range. This makes it much easier to avoid a crash or stop for pedestrians. It also means that if a crash happens the likelihood of injury is very low. Safety is the #1 reason there are over 2,200 modern roundabouts in the US today and many more on the way.
Slow and go also means less delay than a stop light, especially the other 20 hours a day people aren’t driving to or from work. Average daily delay at a signal is around 12 seconds per car. At a modern roundabout average delay is under five seconds. Signals take an hour of demand and restrict it to a half hour – at best only half the traffic gets to go at any one time. At a modern roundabout four drivers entering from four directions can all enter at the same time. Don’t try that with a signalized intersection.
Greg Wilson
2:49 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
Has anyone checked with Fairfax County re School buses. Since Herndon ES is near there, I'd like to know it isn't a hassle for buses to enter and exit (i.e., turning radius issues, etc.)
Leslie Perales
4:14 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
The consultant—O'Connell—said they engineer the circle to fit a type of semi-truck. I think he perhaps mentioned a 50-foot length trailer? I could be wrong. But he said the measurements they use are also for buses, and the trailers they measure for are usually longer. He said they will also take buses into consideration when making the truck aprons to make sure they aren't jostling the kids around too much if they are needed.
Carl Sivertsen
7:41 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
For several years I have urged the Town to consider the placement of STOP SIGNS at on at the intersections leading to Monroe & Park abd that speed tables be placed on Dranesville Rd near Worchester and again at the church. These simple and low cost improvements should be given consideration.
Leslie Perales
2:54 pm on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
They didn't mention speed tables, but now I wonder why it was that they decided not to use them. I know they said they'd rather not use things like rumble strips because they make noise, but that's not really an issue with speed tables.
Bob Bruhns
3:41 pm on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Certainly the circle should be able to handle fire equipment, and I'm sure that has been considered. If the circle will be like the one on Rt 29 and 50 in Fairfax (the only one I can think of in the area), it will be OK.
Ann H Csonka
12:59 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
This roundabout would be smaller than the one at Rt. 50 and 29, but only a smaller "full" roundabout.would barely fit into the space. Consultants need to be sure fir engines, big trucks, and school buses or other passenger buses could negotiate okay. School buses, btw, are not allowed to use the truck aprons.
Matthew
10:57 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011
This is honestly the worst idea I have ever heard... I use that road almost everyday and I don't think i have ever seen a crash take place. The problem was that pink house that was distracting all the drivers. Things have calmed down and adding a roundabout is going to stir everything up especially for all the students and their families going to school. Think about the HHS kids rushing through a roundabout trying to get to school...
Ann H Csonka
12:57 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
As far as kids rushing -- oh, daer what an inconvenience -- but they need to learn to slow down!
Ann H Csonka
1:06 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Roundabouts ARE very safe and efficient if in the right places, but people tend to resist them. As the consultant said, there is a learning curve for drivers. Drivers who are speeding and/or DUI will fly through and have accidents in ANY configuration of intersections. But is this the "right place"?
Don't know how I missed this in the summer...oh, well