Herndon Metro Area Landowners Question Kiss-and-Ride
Over concerns for traffic a kiss-and-ride might bring, landowners and property managers questioned Herndon's need for a kiss-and-ride
In a meeting with Herndon town officials on Friday, Jan. 21, landowners and property managers around the future Herndon Metro site said they are unsure if the area needs a kiss-and-ride.
Herndon Senior Planner Kay Robertson said the plan the town is working with is a first draft and is likely to be revised a lot over the next six to eight months. She said one of the common themes the town has seen from comments from the public is connectivity. She said people want the area to be good for cyclists, pedestrians, buses and it should have easy Metro access.
Consultant Christopher Gay, of Vanasse Hangen Brustlin, Inc., for the plan gave an overview of road improvements that would need to be made, which included triple turn lanes from westbound Spring Street onto southbound Herndon Parkway and from westbound Spring Street onto a new, wider road at southbound Victory Drive.
Robertson said the town will be doing a traffic study on Herndon’s roads eventually and the study will also include traffic impact on surrounding areas. That study will then be passed onto the Virginia Department of Transportation for evaluation, she said.
Shane Murphy, with Cooley LLP, said it is important to know what the assumptions are for the traffic study. He said the landowners need to know what the town is trying to achieve.
Murphy said they know that some slowdown of traffic through the area might be good because it slows cars down and allows pedestrians to move about more freely. “It looks like we’re building roads that are going to be fairly wide,” he said. “And at least on the periphery, might encourage people not to walk around as much.”
Consultant Ralph Basile, principal of BBP and Associates said they need to know what the landowners might like to see to encourage eventual redevelopment in the area.
Christopher Gordon with KGD Architecture said landowners haven’t seen what this station is supposed to look like over time, which is the heart of the whole development. He said there needs to be more vision on the part of the planners.
“What urban area do you know that has a kiss-and-ride,” Gordon said. He said they want to take traffic off the roads, but instead are encouraging it by having a kiss-and-ride.
Gordon said there’s an intermodal station across the toll road that Fairfax County is funding with plenty of land to do it. He and others expressed concern for the amount of traffic the kiss-and-ride may bring, noting that nearby main intersections are already failing.
Robertson said the town of Herndon’s comprehensive plan includes a policy for a kiss-and-ride at Herndon’s station. She said the town would like to plan the kiss-and-ride in a way that’s more urban by bringing it closer to the station.
Robertson said a lot of traffic will come to the station and the town wants convenient access. She said the town is in the position of fighting traffic that shouldn’t be stopping to drop someone off, or accommodating it.
Herndon’s officials would also like to start developers at a base floor area ratio and allow them to go higher depending extras they’ll include in their development, such as public art, extra landscaping or donating right-of-way, Robertson said.
When consultants discussed land consolidation and possibly providing incentives for doing such, landowners said they weren’t sure that would be likely between developers. Landowners said it may be difficult because properties may not be at the same stage of development, such as if one developer is ready to build but another doesn’t plan to redevelop for another decade.
A representative with Lerner Enterprises said they believe a minimum acceptable floor area ratio is 4.5, of a building that is 4.5 times the square footage of the lot it sits on. He said the town should also not restrict themselves to height because some buildings may not be able to have an FAR of 4.5 if the building can’t be more than 15 stories tall.
Those in attendance also expressed concern that they may be trying to compete with Reston Town Center, the future Rt. 28/CIT-area station or the Wiehle Aveue station in Reston.
They said Reston Town Center has infrastructure and features that Herndon doesn’t, and the Wiehle Avenue station will be years ahead of the curve, since it opens sooner.
Ann H Csonka
8:20 pm on Monday, January 24, 2011
Para.2 "[Town Planner] said one common theme the town has seen from public comments is connectivity. ...people want the area to be good for cyclists, pedestrians, buses and…asy Metro access."
Para.3 “Consultant...gave an overview of road improvements…triple turn lanes…” This is NOT RESPONSIVE. It’s the same as a Nov. 17 meeting–all about more road lanes, nothing about connectivity, links & alternative transportation.
What progress has been made with realistic plans for TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT?
This is the 21st Century! I’m an old woman. Surely young planning consultants know how to connect existing areas to a Metro development area by modes other than vehicles (tho “Kiss-n-Ride” IS needed near-term).
WHERE are buses on Herndon Parkway? …eventually small internal electric buses between commercial and residential areas--to link or take people around town directly? Where are zoning incentives for a ZipCar/similar urban enterprises in the new Metro TOD area? (assuming major mixed-use-w-residential development).
Later, Shane Murphy said “landowners need to know”; ”Gordon with KGD…said there needs to be more vision…” The Town is paying people who know what to do. Most residents at the Nov mtg for nearby neighborhoods favored high density, but not without connectivity.
The Town&Consultant need to inspire confidence and enthusiasm among landowners so they WILL coordinate new development/redevelopment and do it. Am I missing something?
Leslie Perales
12:15 am on Tuesday, January 25, 2011
Ann I don't necessarily think you are. On Friday afternoon the planning commission and council met together to merge the two plans the town has come up with and now have some direction for the consultants to take to create the next version of the plan. This will include traffic and economic studies.
Kay Robertson said the town is thinking and starting conversations on pedestrian, bicycle and bus connections but they just haven't gotten to the nitty gritty of that conversation—in fact, at tonight's planning commission meeting there was talk of moving roads to different places than what was discussed just last Friday.
Basically, from what I've seen just in the past four days, I think all that info is likely in the works and will be part of the next phase of this plan. I'll have an article on these new developments tomorrow afternoon. The discussion at tonight's planning commission work session was pretty interesting so I'd like to include some of that information.
Ann H Csonka
1:14 am on Tuesday, January 25, 2011
The updates from Friday's long day and the PC Monday will undoubtedly get things going to a point that makes more sense. Lookin' forward to your article. These groups have a lot to catch up with and a number of citizens as well as landowners are more involved and spending so much more time on it than we are. The contrast in comments just caught my attention and seemed so familiar from a couple of months ago. Thanks for updating a bit.
Leslie Perales
3:18 am on Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Ann, this took a lot longer than I intended. Mostly because I made an interactive Google map. Hope it helps make the changes easier to understand though! http://patch.com/A-d6rV